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PoolQ I work for a Commercial pool builder. We are doing a Jr. Olympic pool (competition pool) 40 ft by 70 ft (12 m by 21 m) with a 20 ft by 10 ft (6 m by 3 m) swim out area with steps. I would rather have the entire pool shot with shotcrete. The office wants the floor poured first then shoot the walls the next day. Can you talk about any advantages or disadvantages to either? Normally we are in a remote location with no power or water. We’ve had issues with shotcrete cracking on the floors and I understand that can happen because of many factors but poured concrete can as well.
Casting the floor first is recommended. Note that rebound and trimmings from vertical wall placement are not fully consolidated concrete and must not be used as part of a structural concrete section. Thus, casting first allows:- No collection of rebound and trimmings from wall construction to get trapped below floor reinforcing steel.
- Provides a stable surface to collect and remove rebound and trimmings.
- Is generally faster placement and allows full consolidation of concrete throughout the floor thickness by immersion vibrators.
- If using wet-mix shotcrete the shotcrete pump can serve as a line pump for pumping concrete into the floor thus requiring no extra equipment.
- Allows proper joint preparation at the floor/wall joint to provide a watertight joint.
PoolQ I’ve been a pool builder all my life and I use your magazine as a technical source and I really enjoy it. I found a conflict: In Shotcrete Summer 2004, page 30, the answer to the second question suggests the use of 8% as batched air content with max sized coarse aggregate of 3/8 inch. The conflict I have is that a) won’t 8% as batched drop to 1-2% after wet gunning? and b) previous articles suggested the use of 15-22% air as batched to help get it through the hose and to achieve 8% in place. Can you clarify?
For over 30 years in Canada we have been designing wet mix shotcrete for exterior exposure (rock-slope stabilization, tunnel portals, canals and beams, infrastructure rehabilitation, etc.) to have air content at the point of discharge into the pump to be in the 7 to 10% range. Pumping and the impact on shooting reduces the air content in the in-place shotcrete by about half. i.e. we find the in-place air content in the shotcrete to consistently be in about the 3.5 to 5.0% range. (Only about 1 to 2% air content is lost in pumping; the rest is lost in impacting on the receiving surface).
The air content is measured either by digging out the in-place shotcrete (or dig it out of a shot test panel) and reconsolidating it in the base of the air pressure meter in the ASTM C231 test and conducting the test. Alternatively the shotcrete can be shot directly into the air pressure meter base. It provides virtually the same value as obtained with dug-out shotcrete (as described above), provided the nozzle is held perpendicular to the air pressure meter base, and at the appropriate distance for proper consolidation of the shotcrete.
Testing on numerous projects has demonstrated that shotcrete with 3.5 to 5% in-place air content has a good air voids system ( air content, spacing factor and specific surface), when analyzed in the ASTM C457 test. Such shotcrete has been demonstrated to have good freeze/thaw durability in the ASTM C666 test and deicing salt scaling resistance in the ASTM C672 test. More importantly, feedback from the field demonstrates that such air entrained shotcrete with many thousands of cycles of freezing and thawing in the field over several decades display good durability. There are many research and case-history examples in the published shotcrete literature to support these observations. (See references 1 and 2 below)
With respect to the use of very high air contents at the pump (15-22%), this has been more of a research initiative, used on only a few projects in Quebec, and is not common practice, nor in this writer’s opinion, necessary.
There is another benefit which accrues from the use of air entraining admixtures to get 7-10% air content in the shotcrete discharged at the pump. As any concrete user knows, as the air content increases, the slump goes up. For shotcrete mixes (which have high cementitious contents and low rock contents compared to concretes) this makes the mix easier to pump and shoot. Thus it is common to shoot air entrained wet mix shotcrete at 100 to125mm (4 to 5 inch) slump. On impacting on the receiving surface, as the air content is reduced by about half, the slump of the in-place shotcrete is also instantaneously reduced by about half. (This can be demonstrated by digging the shotcrete out of the in-place material, or a test panel and conducting a slump test on it). We refer to this phenomenon as the “slump killing “process and have used it to advantage on many shotcrete projects. With a good air entrained shotcrete mix design (particularly when silica fume is used) we commonly shoot vertical sections as much as 500mm (20in) thick at 100 to 125mm (4 to 5 inch) slump in a single pass with no problems of sagging or sloughing (fall-out), without having to resort to the use of accelerators.
Finally, there are a few situations where 7 to 10% air content in the shotcrete at discharge into the pump may not work. These are situations where excess air content reduction could occur during shotcrete conveyance, such as dropping shotcrete down a pipe from the surface in an underground mine and catching it in a kettle or remixer unit. In this case, air, if needed, is best added underground in the remixer. Also, pumping shotcrete long distances (particularly pumping shotcrete downhill) may result in excessive loss of air content in the line, which could cause a slump reduction in the line and possible pumping problems. Other than for situations such as these, we always use 7-10% air content in the shotcrete at the point of discharge into the pump (even if it is not needed for frost resistance reasons) because of its enhanced pumping and “slump killer effects”.
Reference 1: Morgan, D.R., “Freeze-Thaw Durability of Shotcrete”, Concrete International, Vol. 11, No. 8, August, 1989, pp 86-93
Reference 2: Morgan, D.R., Kirkness, A.J., McAskill, N. and Duke, N., “Freeze-Thaw Durability of Wet-Mix and Dry-Mix Shotcretes with Silica Fume and Steel Fibers”, ASTM Cement, Concrete Aggregates, Vol. 10, No. 2, Winter 1988, pp 96-102.
PoolQ I’m hoping you’d be willing to answer a couple of questions I have about gunite. I am having a swimming pool installed at my house in Florida. I was away when the gunite was shot a few weeks ago and didn’t know at the time that the gunite should be sprayed with water for a few times a day for about a week according to what I have read online. The pool company owner knew I would be away and never mentioned the need for the gunite to be periodically moistened. The owner also made no provision for any of his employees to hose it down or install a sprinkler. When I learned after the fact of the watering requirement and asked him about it, he said it was unnecessary because the gunite was shot at 4000 psi (28 MPa) and not the “industry standard” of 3000 psi (21 MPa). Then he added that with the almost daily rain in Florida at this time of year, all was okay. I’m concerned about the gunite’s integrity—its permeability and the possibility of shrinkage and cracking. Could you tell me if I have a reason to be concerned, and if so, what do you suggest I should do about it?
Gunite is the original tradename for what we now call dry-mix shotcrete. Shotcrete is a placement method for concrete, so recommendations for curing and protection follow general ACI guidelines for exposed concrete. ASA recommends a minimum of 7 days of continuous (not just a few times a day) wet curing to help control shrinkage issues, increase strength, and reduce permeability in young concrete sections. Lack of curing and exposure to windy, hot, or dry conditions will certainly increase the potential for shrinkage and cracking of the concrete. Lack of curing will prevent the concrete from achieving its maximum potential strength.
Shotcrete placement with quality materials and proper application techniques generally exceeds the minimum 4000 psi 28-day compressive strength ASA recommends. The statement that 3000 psi is the “industry standard” is not true, as the ACI 350 Code for concrete liquid-containing requires a minimum 28-day compressive strength of 4000 psi for concrete intended to have low permeability when exposed to water. The required strength depends on the pool design. If you want to confirm the compressive strength of your in-place concrete, cores taken from the pool should be tested for compressive strength by a qualified testing lab. ASTM C1604/C1604M provides guidance on taking cores from existing structures. A minimum 3 in. (76 mm) diameter core is recommended. Before coring, it is recommended to use ground-penetrating radar (GPR) or similar equipment to identify the location of reinforcement in the pool section, and then take cores to avoid cutting through the reinforcement wherever possible. The core holes would then need to be filled with a high-strength, non-shrink cementitious grout. Once you learn the actual strength, you would need to check with the pool design engineer to verify the strength is adequate for the design. If the strengths are not adequate, you should consult with the pool designer or a licensed professional engineer experienced in pool design for potential solutions.
Regarding cracking, the lack of curing will increase the concrete’s shrinkage and correspondingly the potential for cracking. You should verify that there are no significant cracks in the pool shell before the plaster or other interior coating is applied. If there are cracks, the pool contractor should repair those before proceeding with the plaster or coating. Although proper curing would certainly decrease the concrete’s permeability, generally good-quality shotcrete with proper placement and a strength of 4000 psi will be functionally watertight and not allow any significant amount of water to flow through the uncracked concrete thickness. You will find more detailed information on pool compressive strengths and watertightness of pool shells in our ASA Position Statements.
PoolQ I’m interested in any information you can provide about recommended expansion/contraction joint spacing for lazy river concrete flumes.
Shotcrete is a placement method for concrete. As the lazy river is a long concrete trough that is intended to be functionally watertight, the best guidance is ACI, 350-06 Code Requirements for Environmental Engineering Concrete Structures. As the predominate stresses in the horizontal direction result from shrinkage and temperature, Section 7.12.2.1 provides guidance on joint spacing based on the provided reinforcement ratio in the concrete section. The closer the movement joints, the less reinforcement required. Chapter 5 of ACI 350.4R-04, Design Considerations for Environmental Engineering Concrete Structures, has guidance on design of joints for water containing structures to help maintain water tightness.
PoolQ I’m in the market for a saltwater pool and was wondering what the ASA recommended concrete compressive strength should be. I’ve read California mandates a 2500 psi (17 MPa) minimum, but some construction companies use 5000 psi (35 MPa). What is the ASA standard for a saltwater pool?
Our ASA Pool Position Statement on Compressive (Strength) Values of Pool Shotcrete states pool and shotcrete contractors have a responsibility to provide a pool structure that not only meets certain design specifications, but also meets basic durability values expected with shotcrete applications. The American Shotcrete Association’s (ASA) Pool and Recreational Shotcrete Committee and ASA Board of Direction have reaffirmed a 4000-psi minimum for in-place compressive strength pool concrete.
As a saltwater pool has a higher chloride content than fresh water you may want to consider using the requirements of ACI 350 (Code Requirements for Environmental Engineering Concrete Structures) where Table 4.2.2 – Requirements for Special Exposure Conditions has this requirement:
“For corrosion protection of reinforcement in concrete exposed to chlorides in tanks containing brackish water and concrete exposed to deicing chemicals, seawater, or spray from seawater – maximum water-cementitious. Materials ratio, by weight is 0.40 with a minimum 28-day compressive strength of 5000 psi.”
In summary the minimum 28-day compressive strength should be no less than 4000 psi, but for enhanced durability you may consider 5000 psi as required by ACI 350. You may find more guidance in our ASA Pool Position Statement “Watertight Shotcrete for Swimming Pools” at www.Shotcrete.org/Resources.
PoolQ Is there a way for me to find out what the standard or appropriate repair for exposed reinforcing bar in a shotcrete swimming pool shell?
Because shotcrete is a placement method for concrete, standard concrete repair techniques are applicable. If the repair is being done by shotcreting new concrete on the existing concrete, the repair should include these steps:
- Chip the poor or weak concrete back to sound concrete.
- If reinforcing bars are exposed, they should be cleaned of any rust.
- If more than half of the perimeter of a reinforcing bar is exposed, the concrete should be chipped back to provide at least a 0.75 in. (19 mm) space behind the bar to allow shotcrete to flow around the back of the bar.
- Before shooting any additional shotcrete, the surface should be cleaned and then wetted to a saturated surface-dry condition (SSD).
- SSD means the substrate is damp, but there is no flowing water. It should feel damp to the touch, but no water is picked up on your hand when placing it against the surface.
- Do not use bonding agents, as they can interfere and reduce the bond of the new shotcrete to the old shotcrete surface.
- When the new shotcrete is in place, the contractor should initiate water curing as soon as possible. In warm, dry, or windy weather, fogging of the fresh surface immediately after finishing would be helpful.
- Water curing (where the concrete is kept continuously moist) should be supplied for at least 7 days.
PoolQ Our development has 8 recirculating water ponds of various sizes. All are vinyl liner under concrete construction. Some ponds have developed leaks due to cracking of the concrete. Will shotcrete provide an adequate seal to stop the leaks for an appreciable time?
When trying to find a contractor in your area, please visit the Corporate Member page of this website. When constructing water ponds, the liner is always under the concrete just in case the concrete cracks not on top. Master Builders makes a product called Master Seal 345 which is designed to waterproof the concrete before the shotcrete is placed. Using a macro synthetic fiber for strength, flexural and to control shrinkage cracking will help. It comes down to proper prep work prior to placement and curing of the concrete (7 days of water) to control cracks. Bentonite shotcrete could be a possibility or perhaps plastic shotcrete (cement and bentonite shotcrete).
PoolQ Our pool company just completed the shotcrete today and temperatures are expected to reach near freezing tonight. Should the shotcrete still cure properly? Should we be concerned?
You say near freezing, so we assume it did not reach freezing. Though the newly place concrete will not gain strength quickly it should not be damaged. As temperatures rise during the day the warmer temperatures should allow more strength gain. Concrete has a chemical reaction to build strength, that generates internal heat. If freezing weather was expected, we would recommend use of a protective blanket on the concrete surface to help hold the heat in and promote quicker strength gain. Generally, in concrete we like to see the concrete surface temperature at 50 °F (10 °C) or higher in cold weather to encourage strength gain.
PoolQ Our shotcrete contractor started shooting our residential swimming pool on a Friday and stopped 1/3 of way through the process. They plan to restart and complete shooting the pool the following Monday. This site is in Houston and has been averaging 90+ °F (32 °C) average daily temperatures. Aside from soaking the existing pool structure during the hiatus and additional continuous watering through the 10 days after completion to let concrete cure, what steps do I and the contractor need to make to ensure a cold joint will not fail and leak in the future? I will be able to supervise the second shot. What can I do, or make sure the contractor does, to ensure the structural integrity and quality of my investment?
Wet curing of newly placed concrete is certainly important. Your 10-day cure sounds great. Properly placed shotcrete against a properly prepared construction joint will provide concrete that acts monolithically and will not be a “cold joint” as is common in cast concrete. There are three key factors for joint preparation:
- The joint must be roughened. This should be done when the crew finished for the day using a stiff broom or raking with a trowel.
- On the subsequent shoot the surface should be cleaned (usually using a high pressure, pressure washer).
- Before shooting bring the surface to a saturated surface dry (SSD) condition. SSD means the pores of the concrete have been filled with water but there is no running water on the surface.
Following these 3 steps are essential for creating a monolithic, watertight joint. Here’s a link to an article on why shotcrete doesn’t have cold joints: https://shotcrete.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/2014Spr_TechnicalTip.pdf
Quality shotcrete placement requires a well-designed concrete mixture, proper equipment, attention to the surface prep, proper placement techniques, and curing. One aspect that can help you ascertain the nozzleman’s expertise is to require they have a current American Concrete Institute Shotcrete Nozzleman Certification. You can verify an individual’s certification status at: https://www.concrete.org/certification/verifyacertification.aspx?d=Ask
PoolQ The company installing our pool ran short of wet mix by about 4 yd3 (3 m3). The pressure truck left, leaving one finisher behind. It was about an hour before the last of the material arrived and what had already been placed had pretty much set. He added about 20 gal. (76 L) of water so he could get it in place. The fully exposed areas, I feel, would be OK. However, the long tapered overlays concern me for strength; it seems like more of a patch. Since it was not shot in place to compress and integrate it, will it bond and strengthen properly?
Proper shotcrete placement of concrete depends on high-velocity impact of the concrete materials for full consolidation. Though not clear from your inquiry, it sounds like the additional concrete was just dumped in place without high-velocity impact. Thus, you simply have normal cast concrete that would require some type of external vibration to densify and properly consolidate the concrete. The bond of cast concrete would be inferior to the bond from shotcrete since you do not have the high-velocity impact driving the cement paste into the previously shot material. Also, adding 20 gal. of water at the site would substantially weaken the concrete from the original design strength of the concrete mixture. Further, feathering edging in a joint is not recommended since you end up with a very thin overlay at some point that may tend to spall or delaminate much more easily at the thinner section. A better approach when running short of concrete is to stop and prepare a joint for later shotcreting. For best bond, joints should be cut at a 45-degree angle, roughened, and then cleaned and wetted immediately before shooting.
Thus, answering your final question, in summary the bond will be reduced, and with the higher water content, the concrete will be weaker than properly shotcreted concrete.