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PoolQ A new gunite pool of ours was sprayed in an irregular fashion by a non-certified worker in the Bahamas. For the most part, the pool looks good, but one wall was measured at 3 in. The rest of the pool is 6 in. The rebar in the thin area was encapsulated which was good, but a couple of linear cracks in the wall formed even after ample wetting during the initial cure period. Six months have gone by. Our plan now is to pressure wash the cracked areas and add an additional 6 to 8 in. of gunite thickness which may not look too bad since the pool is a natural lagoon style pool. Staples with gunite over the top would be the other option. What is your opinion?
Properly prepared surfaces along with proper shotcrete materials, equipment and placement techniques will produce a construction joint that acts monolithically and not be a “cold” joint. Shotcrete placed onto an existing concrete surface will provide an excellent bond IF the following conditions are met:- Make sure the surface is roughened and clean.
- The amplitude the of roughness should be +/- 1/16th in. (1.6 mm) or more.
- If the surface was not roughened when it was shot be sure to have the contractor roughen it.
- A high-pressure water blaster (5000 psi [34 MPa] or more) or abrasive blasting can help to roughen and clean the surface.
- Bring the concrete surface to saturated surface dry (SSD) condition. This means the surface feels damp, but water is not picked up on a hand.
- Make sure the shotcrete placement is properly executed with high velocity placement and quality materials.
- The dry-mix shotcrete (Gunite) should have a minimum 28-day compressive strength of 4000 psi (28 MPa).
- Be sure the shotcrete contractor is using an air compressor able to produce at least 385 CFM (11 m3/min) of air flow at 120 psi (0.83 MPa).
- Use of an ACI-certified shotcrete nozzleman is recommended.
- No bonding agent should be used. It will interfere with the natural bonding characteristics of shotcrete placement.
- Make sure the surface is roughened and clean.
PoolQ Are there tolerance standards for the use of shotcrete in pool construction? For example, in regard to the pool depth, what is the accepted variation from the depth specified?
We are not aware of specific tolerances for shotcrete in swimming pools. Shotcrete is a method of placing concrete and the cover over reinforcing steel should be the same as that for cast concrete. With respect to the depth of the pool, this would be a building code issue, not a shotcrete issue.
PoolQ Can brackish or salt water be used to make shotcrete for a pool and will it have any negative effect on the quality of a shotcrete pool?
As a general rule of thumb, brackish or salt water should not be used as shotcrete mixing water. High chloride ion contents can cause rapid setting of the shotcrete (which can make finishing difficult) and longer-term reinforcing steel corrosion-induced cracking, delamination, and spalling. Other components of brackish water can also be damaging to the fresh and hardened shotcrete. For a detailed statement on what constitutes acceptable contents of various dissolved chemicals for concrete/shotcrete mixing water, refer to the Portland Cement Association publication Design and Control of Concrete Mixtures, Chapter 4, “Mixing Water for Concrete.” One could also consult ASTM C1602/C1602M for limits on the composition of nonpotable water for use in the production of shotcrete.
PoolQ Can you please provide me a technical recommendation on whether or not expansion joints should be used in a large shotcrete pool that is approximately 230 ft x 135 ft (70 m x 41 m)? In my design I am calling for two expansion joints which would break the pool into three approximately 76 ft-8 in. (23 m) sections. The contractor is telling me that he typically does not use expansion joints in the pool and that they are unnecessary. I do not typically work with shotcrete and have limited pool design but given the size of the structure I would think it would be best to include expansion joints. Can you please recommend whether or not the expansion joints should be used? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Shotcrete is a placement method for concrete. All normal concrete experiences drying shrinkage that creates a volume change in the hardened concrete. Pools will also experience volume change in the concrete due to thermal changes, especially summer to winter seasonal swings. Contraction and expansion joints are common in all kinds of concrete liquid-containing structures especially with walls of this length. Though we can’t provide a firm design recommendation you should consider these factors:
- What are the weather conditions when the pool is anticipated to be built? If during hot summer months, could there be enough seasonal temperature swing to require expansion joints?
- If expansion joints wouldn’t be needed would contraction joints be needed to handle anticipated temperature swings, and drying shrinkage?
- Will the pool be empty for extended times (this could lead to more shrinkage or direct exposure to solar gain or cold conditions?
- Is the pool to be kept full or empty during the winter months? (if the pool is in a geographic region where extending freezing conditions are prevalent)
Overall, the design for a shotcrete pool should be the same as one for a cast concrete pool.
PoolQ Can you provide any information on insulating gunite in spa installations?
There are two ways to insulate the outside of concrete spas. The first way is to shotcrete the spa and then glue Styrofoam to the outside of the concrete shell or to spray the insulated foam to the outside surface. The second way is to use the ICF (insulated concrete form). You would only have to use one side of this form system. This system would act as the outside form so that the shotcrete could bond to the foam. This type of system has foam insulation thicknesses from 1 to 4 inches thick. Yes, it can be fitted to form circles. Each ICF system is different, so some research would be needed to see which system would work the best. Since most spas are formed up before they are shot, the ICF system would serve two purposes: forming and insulation in one step.
PoolQ Can you send me a document with ASA specifications for gunite coverage of reinforcing bar for swimming pools, please?
ASA does not have such a document. The concrete cover for embedded reinforcing steel is subject to the local Building Codes and may be increased by the structural plans and specifications produced by an Engineer or Architect for a specific project. ACI 350-06, “Code Requirements for Environmental Engineering Concrete Structures and Commentary,” covers concrete structures intended for water containment and would be applicable to pools. The following is a link to ACI’s bookstore: www.concrete.org/bookstore/ProductDetail.aspx?itemid=35006.
PoolQ How soon after shooting a pool shell can formwork be removed? How soon can tiling begin?
Vertical formwork can generally be removed the day following the shotcrete installation. If the formwork is supporting a load like a soffit form, the form should not be removed until the shotcrete has attained full strength such that it can support the weight of the member.
Your question regarding the installation of the tile should be directed to a professional who installs tile.
PoolQ I am a general contractor who hired a company to shotcrete a new swimming pool. They began on Friday, a very hot day, and they were placing concrete very slowly (27 yards in 4 hours). Their pump broke down and they were unable to complete the job that day so they returned on Monday. My Question is about the “cold joint” between the work on Friday and the work on Monday. What is your opinion of this situation?
On large swimming pools, it is not unusual to have joints that are left over a weekend or longer. The key is the means by which the joint is dealt with. As with any concrete joint, the surface needs to be clean and free of laitance or other contamination. This can be accomplished by cleaning the joint while it is green on the first day or by cleaning with waterblasting, sandblasting, or wire brushing after the surface has gotten hard. As long as the joint is clean, all gloss has been removed, and the joint is dampened the structure should not be impacted by the joint. Also, 27 cubic yards in 4 hours is not necessarily slow production. Depending upon the circumstances, I would think that 27 cy in 4 hours was quite productive.
PoolQ I am a homeowner who is having a pool built in my backyard. The company used shotcrete last Thursday, but didn’t tell us we needed to keep it wet for the next few days. We found out on the following Monday that we should have been keeping the shotcrete wet. The 4 days that passed before we began wetting the shotcrete were very windy and hot (low 80s). The pool company is now telling us that it’s probably not a big deal that the shotcrete wasn’t kept wet for 4 days. My question is this: How has the shotcrete been compromised by not keeping it wet for 4 days? What can I expect to happen to the shotcrete (cracks?) What would you recommend as far as a fix??
ASA recommends a minimum of 7 days curing to help control shrinkage issues in young concrete sections. Lack of curing, and exposure to windy, hot or dry conditions will certainly increase the potential for shrinkage and cracking of the concrete. Lack of curing will prevent the concrete from achieving its maximum potential strength. However, shotcrete generally exceeds the minimum 4000 psi (28 MPa) 28-day compressive strength ASA recommends, and required strength depends on the pool design. If you want to confirm the compressive strength of your in-place concrete, cores taken from the pool should be tested for compressive strength by a qualified testing lab. ASTM C1604 Standard Test Method for Obtaining and Testing Drilled Cores of Shotcrete gives guidance on taking cores from existing structures. A minimum 3” diameter core is recommended. Before coring it is recommended to use ground penetrating radar (GPR) or similar equipment to identify the location of reinforcing in the pool section, and then take cores to avoid cutting through the reinforcing wherever possible. The core holes would then need to be filled with a high strength, non-shrink cementitious grout. Once you learn the actual strength, you would need to check with the pool design engineer to verify the strength is adequate for the design. If the strengths are not adequate, you should consult with the pool designer or a licensed professional engineer experienced in pool design for potential solutions.
PoolQ I am a pool builder who favors dry-mix shotcrete. I have a project requiring: a) cast-in-place concrete retaining walls, where there will be exposed downhill faces (that are not necessarily meant to be seen). Should my shotcrete contractor be able to finish the exposed face in some sort of reasonable finished appearance? and b) placing a pool house foundation (about 4 ft [1.2 m] high). Would I be able to shoot these? I am thinking not because there is no place for the rebound to go.
a) Shotcrete can be finished in a wide variety of ways. It can be left with anywhere from a very rough to a very smooth finish and a huge variety of other finishes. We suggest you visit ASA’s Web site, click on the tab for Shotcrete magazine, and search the previous articles for finishes and swimming pools. You will find a lot of photos of great-looking walls. Not all shotcrete contractors are proficient in providing these attractive finishes. You need to discuss this with your current shotcrete contractor and/or interview other shotcrete contractors to make sure the chosen contractor can provide what you are looking for. We also suggest you look at work these contractors have previously completed. You can also locate contractors online at ASA’s Buyers Guide, www.Shotcrete.org\BuyersGuide.
b) If the pool house foundation is a footing trenched into the ground 4 ft (1.2 m) deep, dry-mix shotcrete would not be a good solution. If the foundation is 4 ft (1.2 m) above grade, then it could be done with shotcrete against a one-sided form. This would be considered structural shotcrete and not all shotcrete contractors are qualified to place shotcrete for structural walls. Again, we suggest you ensure the chosen contractor is qualified to do the work.